always assume good faith

Sat Jun 21 14:31:40 BRT 2014

That is the point Aurium and Terceiro: the review process proposed for
Noosfero is completely new if you look at other free softwares.

Let me explain: *the reviewers, almost everytime in free software, are also
commiters*. Also *they have the responsibility for that code to work for
the final users*.

*It really doesn't make sense to review a code if you have no real
responsibility that it works on your application*. That's why, Terceiro,
the Noosfero's centralization today IS very big.

That is why I insist on a descentralization of the process, where multiple
organizations assume responsability, costs and priorization of software
development. *Many developers passed through Noosfero without assuming
responsability*, and that is mainly because of the centralized model
Noosfero uses.

We at EITA have a proposal about that we are yet to publish to the
community.
About forks, we at EITA can't think of it as a solution.

best regards,
bráulio

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, "Aurélio A. Heckert" <
aurelio at colivre.coop.br> wrote:

>  Well... I must to reinforce Terceiro's message, remembering another
> point defined on the same meeting where the procedures for new features was
> created. On that day we also agreed that we need explicit clear rules (*that
> was pointed by Rodrigo, and accepted by all*), and the Colivre is the
> only with the costs to review merge requests. The *review* is the real funnel
> for merging bugfixes and new features, and with some contribution from
> other community members (in this work process) the merge can come faster.
>
> On that day i proposed a form to make this review easier. I did and told
> to the fellow community:
>
> http://listas.softwarelivre.org/pipermail/noosfero-dev/2013-October/000692.html
>
> Far as I know, that was never used... :-(
> How can we talk about adding new commiters, if we have only the current
> small group of commiters with experience in code review*?*
>
> Cheers...
>  Aurium
>
> PS: "corporation" was a nice word selection to be not nice.
>
> Em 19-06-2014 21:48, Antonio Terceiro escreveu:
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 04:09:21PM -0300, Bráulio Bhavamitra wrote:
>
>  About procedure, a very important thing must be noticed:
> ==The real procedure that *is working* for Noosfero was proposed almost
> exclusively by Colivre team.==
>
> The procedure EITA and others (and not only EITA) are proposing is trying
> to change *a bit* that because we see it is not working well in some points.
>
> Terceiro, I, besides Daniel in EITA, propose something different.
>
>   Summarizing, I think Noosfero is following a very bad model, which is not
> applied in many free softwares, and that is a centralized model based on
> one corporation, *which of needs to be payed for this model to work*.
>
>  I feel we are trapped in an infinite loop. We already discussed this
> several times and we do not agree. In my opinion this is just not true,
> but you keep insisting on it.
>
> The "centralization" is very limited since the _only_ actual
> centralization is the final code acceptance, and that is only
> centralized because nobody else wants to help with the steps that are a
> pre-requisite for that but and could be done by anyone (still, Colivre
> is the only one reviewing and testing code from others).
>
>
>  I think that is a very bad reality of some "free software", and I saw
> many times that it led to many problems, including *project
> deterioration and forks*.
>
> I've already proposed a less rigid and descentralized like we see in
> many successful free software.
>
>  And still didn't had convince others that it would bring any benefit.
>
> I think if there are people that are we willing to make the effort
> necessary to do a better job at managing the project, they should feel
> free to fork and create something better. If you can't convince others
> that your way is the better way, you are free to take the current state
> of the code and follow your own path. IMO that is a feature, not a bug:
> a very good way of knowing that something is better than something else
> is *actually trying* that something else.
>
> Of course, it is much better to actually help and contribute to the
> existing project by doing the work that most people don't do.
>
>
>
>
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