File visualization

Wed Jun 18 15:59:21 BRT 2014

Let's go back to the focus of this thread. This "new" discussion continued
in another thread. ;)

2014-06-18 15:56 GMT-03:00 Bráulio Bhavamitra <braulio at eita.org.br>:

> Does not deserve an answer, really!! Let's try something better than this!
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Leandro Nunes <leandronunes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Looikng for my emails i received notification about ActionItem3119 in  29
>> april, 01 may, 06 june, 7 june.
>>
>> The procedure Daniel showed doens't works. Look at this.
>>   1. New AI must be created, with sufficient information (not only title
>> but some description)
>>
>> What is sufficient? It's an abstract concept. So this is a big problem.
>>
>>  Look theses ActionItem made by eita.
>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3168
>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3169
>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3149
>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3156
>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3101
>>
>> They are clear enough?
>> For me no.
>>
>> Did you saw me crucify Braulio or Eita because of this?
>> No. You will never see that.
>>
>> Because I believe he made his better with the time he had.
>>
>> This is what I assume.
>>
>> 2. A message with the proposal is sent to the list
>>
>> Any of these ActionItem was sent for the list?
>> I look for them here I and didn't found anything.
>>
>> 3. If in 1 week there is no negative reaction, then everything is ok. If
>> there are reactions to the proposal, it should be discussed before sending
>> the code, so that the developper doesn't spend time developping something
>> that won't be accepted. This discussion would be done by the list until a
>> common consensual solution would be found.
>>
>> If it wasn't sent to the list this step couldn't be done ok?
>>
>> 4. When the developper concludes the code and makes merge-request, it
>> should be put as a link to the code in the AI page.
>>
>> This was done.
>>
>> Theses ActionItem is just some of them that I found quickly here.
>> Of course there is a lot of ActionItem like this.
>>
>> So. Eita doesn't follow his "own procedure" and Eita wants everybody else
>> follow It.  Really?
>>
>> I am not criticizing Eita because they don't follow the procedure. All
>> the ActionItem that I am interest  I saw the ActionItem description and I
>> make a comment there. Simple like that.
>>
>> Things are more natural that some people think.
>> The ActionItem creation is a way that the project found to make public
>> some ideas about something.
>> Some developer could make an excelent contribuition for the project
>> without make an ActionItem and because He doesn't follow the procedure we
>> will not accept. Is this that you propose?
>> If a developer do that He made an risk option beacuse his contribuition
>> could not be applied depends on how intrusive it is.
>> In other  words the ActionItem creation is a good practice to make your
>> contribuition be accepted more quickly.
>> The more intrusive the contribution is greater the need for explanation
>> and detail, sometimes with videos and/or prototypes.
>> If something 'wrong' is accepted by the core team It should be changed
>> and It is not the previously discussion in the list that will avoid that
>> these things happen.
>> It is important to say that I think all active noosfero developers create
>> the action item before code creation and they naturally put some
>> description about what will be done. Of course that some mistake could be
>> done, but I think procedures have to be emphasized always and We could not
>> crucify people because something wrong happens because we put people away
>> from the project discussion.
>> If you insist with something that doesn't work just because is what you
>> think is a good practice you will just make people not respect everything
>> you say.
>> First of all you have to convince people that something you think is
>> important after that you could request people to work like you propose.
>> Please do that based in solid arguments not based in a community meeting
>> certainly at lest half of the active developers don't participate of it for
>> different reasons.
>> Free software doesn't works with only "presencial" meetings.
>> I don't think if you pay attention carefully but We have this discussion
>> recurrently. This is because some people accept that procedure like an
>> absolutly truth write in stones just because is convinient as argument in a
>> discussion.
>>
>> That procedure never exists in fact.
>>
>> Wake up people. You will not change a way how free software ever works
>> proposing a boring way based on more works for developers to apply
>> improvements or fix bugs.
>>
>> If you guys want's to live a ilusion go ahead.
>> I am off ;)
>>
>>
>> PS: I will not waste my time with this loop discussion anymore.
>>
>> --
>> Dois Axé!!!
>>
>> -----
>> "Comece fazendo o que é necessário, depois o que é possível e de repente
>> você estará fazendo o impossível."
>>                                    São Francisco de Assis
>> Leandro Nunes
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