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Wed Jun 18 16:23:20 BRT 2014

Thank you Ana, I was going to send that message too. I've made a proposal
about this AI and got now answer till now.

cheers,
bráulio

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Ana Luísa Losnak <analosnak at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Let's go back to the focus of this thread. This "new" discussion continued
> in another thread. ;)
>
>
> 2014-06-18 15:56 GMT-03:00 Bráulio Bhavamitra <braulio at eita.org.br>:
>
> Does not deserve an answer, really!! Let's try something better than this!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Leandro Nunes <leandronunes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looikng for my emails i received notification about ActionItem3119 in
>>>  29 april, 01 may, 06 june, 7 june.
>>>
>>> The procedure Daniel showed doens't works. Look at this.
>>>   1. New AI must be created, with sufficient information (not only title
>>> but some description)
>>>
>>> What is sufficient? It's an abstract concept. So this is a big problem.
>>>
>>>  Look theses ActionItem made by eita.
>>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3168
>>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3169
>>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3149
>>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3156
>>> http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem3101
>>>
>>> They are clear enough?
>>> For me no.
>>>
>>> Did you saw me crucify Braulio or Eita because of this?
>>> No. You will never see that.
>>>
>>> Because I believe he made his better with the time he had.
>>>
>>> This is what I assume.
>>>
>>> 2. A message with the proposal is sent to the list
>>>
>>> Any of these ActionItem was sent for the list?
>>> I look for them here I and didn't found anything.
>>>
>>> 3. If in 1 week there is no negative reaction, then everything is ok. If
>>> there are reactions to the proposal, it should be discussed before sending
>>> the code, so that the developper doesn't spend time developping something
>>> that won't be accepted. This discussion would be done by the list until a
>>> common consensual solution would be found.
>>>
>>> If it wasn't sent to the list this step couldn't be done ok?
>>>
>>> 4. When the developper concludes the code and makes merge-request, it
>>> should be put as a link to the code in the AI page.
>>>
>>> This was done.
>>>
>>> Theses ActionItem is just some of them that I found quickly here.
>>> Of course there is a lot of ActionItem like this.
>>>
>>> So. Eita doesn't follow his "own procedure" and Eita wants everybody
>>> else follow It.  Really?
>>>
>>> I am not criticizing Eita because they don't follow the procedure. All
>>> the ActionItem that I am interest  I saw the ActionItem description and I
>>> make a comment there. Simple like that.
>>>
>>> Things are more natural that some people think.
>>> The ActionItem creation is a way that the project found to make public
>>> some ideas about something.
>>> Some developer could make an excelent contribuition for the project
>>> without make an ActionItem and because He doesn't follow the procedure we
>>> will not accept. Is this that you propose?
>>> If a developer do that He made an risk option beacuse his contribuition
>>> could not be applied depends on how intrusive it is.
>>> In other  words the ActionItem creation is a good practice to make your
>>> contribuition be accepted more quickly.
>>> The more intrusive the contribution is greater the need for explanation
>>> and detail, sometimes with videos and/or prototypes.
>>> If something 'wrong' is accepted by the core team It should be changed
>>> and It is not the previously discussion in the list that will avoid that
>>> these things happen.
>>> It is important to say that I think all active noosfero developers
>>> create the action item before code creation and they naturally put some
>>> description about what will be done. Of course that some mistake could be
>>> done, but I think procedures have to be emphasized always and We could not
>>> crucify people because something wrong happens because we put people away
>>> from the project discussion.
>>> If you insist with something that doesn't work just because is what you
>>> think is a good practice you will just make people not respect everything
>>> you say.
>>> First of all you have to convince people that something you think is
>>> important after that you could request people to work like you propose.
>>> Please do that based in solid arguments not based in a community meeting
>>> certainly at lest half of the active developers don't participate of it for
>>> different reasons.
>>> Free software doesn't works with only "presencial" meetings.
>>> I don't think if you pay attention carefully but We have this discussion
>>> recurrently. This is because some people accept that procedure like an
>>> absolutly truth write in stones just because is convinient as argument in a
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> That procedure never exists in fact.
>>>
>>> Wake up people. You will not change a way how free software ever works
>>> proposing a boring way based on more works for developers to apply
>>> improvements or fix bugs.
>>>
>>> If you guys want's to live a ilusion go ahead.
>>> I am off ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> PS: I will not waste my time with this loop discussion anymore.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dois Axé!!!
>>>
>>> -----
>>> "Comece fazendo o que é necessário, depois o que é possível e de repente
>>> você estará fazendo o impossível."
>>>                                    São Francisco de Assis
>>> Leandro Nunes
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> ideologia. Morra por sua ideologia" P.R. Sarkar
>>
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>> lar e todos nós somos cidadãos deste cosmo. Este universo é a imaginação da
>> Mente Macrocósmica, e todas as entidades estão sendo criadas, preservadas e
>> destruídas nas fases de extroversão e introversão do fluxo imaginativo
>> cósmico. No âmbito pessoal, quando uma pessoa imagina algo em sua mente,
>> naquele momento, essa pessoa é a única proprietária daquilo que ela
>> imagina, e ninguém mais. Quando um ser humano criado mentalmente caminha
>> por um milharal também imaginado, a pessoa imaginada não é a propriedade
>> desse milharal, pois ele pertence ao indivíduo que o está imaginando. Este
>> universo foi criado na imaginação de Brahma, a Entidade Suprema, por isso
>> a propriedade deste universo é de Brahma, e não dos microcosmos que também
>> foram criados pela imaginação de Brahma. Nenhuma propriedade deste mundo,
>> mutável ou imutável, pertence a um indivíduo em particular; tudo é o
>> patrimônio comum de todos."
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"Paramapurusha é meu pai e Parama Prakriti é minha mãe. O universo é meu
lar e todos nós somos cidadãos deste cosmo. Este universo é a imaginação da
Mente Macrocósmica, e todas as entidades estão sendo criadas, preservadas e
destruídas nas fases de extroversão e introversão do fluxo imaginativo
cósmico. No âmbito pessoal, quando uma pessoa imagina algo em sua mente,
naquele momento, essa pessoa é a única proprietária daquilo que ela
imagina, e ninguém mais. Quando um ser humano criado mentalmente caminha
por um milharal também imaginado, a pessoa imaginada não é a propriedade
desse milharal, pois ele pertence ao indivíduo que o está imaginando. Este
universo foi criado na imaginação de Brahma, a Entidade Suprema, por isso
a propriedade deste universo é de Brahma, e não dos microcosmos que também
foram criados pela imaginação de Brahma. Nenhuma propriedade deste mundo,
mutável ou imutável, pertence a um indivíduo em particular; tudo é o
patrimônio comum de todos."
Restante do texto em
http://cirandas.net/brauliobo/blog/a-problematica-de-hoje-em-dia
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